Questioning a Liberal.

On Facebook, I asked a liberal friend some question about politics and religion. My friends conclusion was that voting based on politics and faith should be up to the individual person and should not be mixed in government.

I am going to Post my questions then his answers. After that I will post my comments. I think then we will see a difference between Liberalism and Christianity. (Spelling errors have been fixed and is [in brackets with new spelling])

My Question: So as a Christian, what makes Obama such a great candidate for president?

His Answer: The way I see it, neither of the candidates will have a significant effect on Christians. That said, I then look at other issues and go with my personal preference, which happens to be Obama/Biden.

My comments: The purpose of this question was to see way a Christian would like Obama over any other candidate. I was looking at what qualities Obama have that would make him the prime candidate for the White House. But I want to address the comment "neither of the candidates will have a significant effect on Christians." First this comment is wrong, both candidates are a giant effect on Christians. Obama is for equality. With his socialist policies, we can see that marriage would be defined as any 2 people whether male and female or not. This is completely against the Bible and a strong Christian needs to be in office so that marriage will also be Man and Women. (On a side note, I do not think that Palin will do the job. Her comments at the VP debate seemed more liberal then who I want in the office.)

Another ideal that will effect Christians is abortion. Abortion is murdering a child where it is the most defenseless but yet it is legal. Obama supports abortion not only in the womb but after the child is born. Complete wrong but lawful. I am waiting for the fire to come from Heaven on this subject.
The problem with the McCain camp is that they will do nothing to overturn Rue v. Wade unless McCain has some really strong conservative Christians judges. A no decision is as bad as a bad decision.


My Question: The question was more about why Obama would be a better candidate using your Christian views. For example, I would vote for Obama because he would help end social injustice.

So correct me if I am wrong but you believe Obama is a better candidate because his view on the issues match your views. Do you believe that we should vote base on our religious convection, that would what Joe Biden calls forcing our religion on people, or do you believe that we vote base on what we think is right? Also what is your opinion if a presidential candidate or a VP candidate is using scripture and interpreting it the wrong way, is that a reason to not vote for them since they can not rightly divide the scripture (2 Timothy 2:15)?

Just to info on what I am doing. I am asking a couple different Christians who are liberal and trying to found why they think Obama is a better for the presidency. In no way am I trying to get you to change vote b/c personnel I am not sure even if I will vote for the McCain

His Answer: I believe that one should vote by personal preference. If that means voting based on one's religious conviction, then that is what one should do. As for myself, I view many of the other issues as more relevant to the election than my religious views, so I will vote accordingly.

Obviously, though, some of these views align with Christian views. I think politics is a separate issue from religion, so I don't have a problem with politicians trying to use Scripture if they're trying to win votes. It's cheesy if they misinterpret it, but that's bound to happen sometimes. Hope this helps.

My Comments: This was a two-part question. First question was, "Do you believe that we should vote base on our religious convection, that would what Joe Biden calls forcing our religion on people, or do you believe that we vote base on what we think is right?" My answer, Proverbs 3:5 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding." and John 17:17b, "[Y]our word is truth." Vote base on the truth of the world that is called the Bible. There is a reason why a conservative like me will never enter the office of president. I would completely use what is right according to God. God might not have a solution for the economic downfall we are currently having but he did provide us with principles that can be followed. The Bible is the foundation of our great nation and the presidents when this country was started; they rule was based on the Bible.

The next question was “Also what is your opinion if a presidential candidate or a VP candidate is using scripture and interpreting it the wrong way, is that a reason to not vote for them since they can not rightly divide the scripture (2 Timothy 2:15)?” Notice that I used 2 Timothy 2:15 “Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.” (ESV). If a presidential candidate uses scripture wrongly, they need to be rebuke. That is unacceptable to use the Holy words for your own pleasure.

My question: What are some of the issues you think Obama has a better policy on?

Also you mention that you did not like McCain and then when he picked Palin as a running mate you said that the pick "further alienated" you. Why do you dislike the McCain/Palin ticket?

He Answers: I think Obama has a better energy policy that will be more helpful and effective for the future. I agree more with his stance on the war in Iraq, as well. He has a better plan to aid the economy, a better health care plan, and a better welfare and taxation plan.

I dislike the McCain/Palin ticket because I believe the country needs to go in a different direction than it has for the past eight years, and I don't feel McCain/Palin can do this. I disagree with his stance on Iraq, his energy policy, and his plan to fix the economy. Joe Biden is a man of the people with tremendous political and foreign policy experience. Sarah Palin is an inexperienced small-town Alaskan mayor chosen to shock and guilt the American people into voting for the McCain ticket. What the future holds for her, I don't know, but she is clearly not ready to be in a position of authority at the moment.

My Comment: Another two-part question, first question was what is Obama’s best policy. He put down economy, health care, welfare, and taxation. If you look up Socialism, all 4 plans that Obama has are clearly defined (and then Obama’s name will be next to it). What happen to capitalism? What happen when business make bad business decisions, they have to try and fix it themselves? There is a reason why we have Chapter 13 Bankruptcy? That is where Fannie Ma and Freddy Mac? Socialism is not what this country needs, more government control and fewer freedoms.

The other question was “Why do you dislike the McCain/Palin Ticket?” McCain/Palin actually have a better economic plan for this country. They are looking to reduce the amount of money spent to worthless programs, i.e. Department of Homeland Security and the DNC. Why is our government spending money for things that should not have government involvement, i.e. monuments, parks, etc.? McCain is talking about oversight of the programs and not more government regulations. Regulations are is Socialist ideal and basically sending us to communism.

My Question: You said that Obama has a better plan to aid the economy, the last Democratic president that aided the economy left it in a unstable condition that will overshadow Bush's good decisions like Afghanistan and Iraq forever. Explain to me why a conservative Christian would vote for the same party that is throwing our economy to the dogs today?

His Answer: ??? Bill Clinton was the best thing that has happened to our economy since World War II. And when were Afghanistan and Iraq good decisions? At the beginning? (yes) Still? (not so much) If you mean why should you vote Democrat, I find that question hard to answer since you seem to think the Democrats are hell-bent on destroying the economy, a concept I see no evidence for. I can only remind you that John McCain appears to have no plan for the economy, which, if I recall, is exactly what got us into trouble eight years ago after Clinton.

My Outburst: Clinton is the one who changed Carter's law to make it easier for people who can not afford loans to get loans. That is why those companies had a whole a lot of bad loans that I, the American taxpayer, now had to now par for. Was it Bush's fault that Enron was under in 2001 or that the Tech Bubble popped in Clinton last year while Bush was still campaigning? Let alone the fact that almost every American Airliner had to fill bankruptcy b/c America stop traveling by air after 9/11. No, you can not blame Bush for that, that would be complete depravity there. Yet it was Bush who tried to make it harder for people to get loans. A bill that failed b/c of the Democratic and went unnoticed by the liberal media. Also the liberal media went on and said that we were in a recession when the market was still growing. Fueling the fire that now Obama is riding on.

This one is about GWOT. GWOT has done more good that what the liberal media wants you to know. Why not go to each of the services we[b]site to see what we are currently done? We are trying to help these countries continue to defeat terror. When do you h[ear] that on Fox News? You do not. America should know that war cost money and lives. The fact that most Iraqis are happy that we are there will beg to defer on the fact that is was a bad decision. We are also helping rebuild these countries when we defeat terror. I also must admit that is will be all in vain when Babylon is being rebuild but the USA might have lost their power before that will be build up.

My Comment: I think the outburst said it. I must say that Clinton is not the only reason why the loan companies fell. It was also the greed of the people within the companies and the greed of the people who could not afford what they wanted.

My Question: Next question, liberals have always been for big government to help the needy. The programs have had success by conservative Christians who are willing to help the poor and homeless. How will Obama's new plan on welfare be different?

His Answer: I think the debate last was a pretty clear indication of why I am currently going to [v]ote for Obama. I don't think I agreed with a single original statement McCain made. I look in Obama's eyes, and I see 14 letters: P-O-S-I-T-I-V-E C-H-A-N-G-E. :D Seriously, though, I just think we need something new, someone to shake things up a bit. I don't think anyone wants this financial crisis to continue.

My Comment: He really did not answer the question. I actually think that when he looks into Obama’s eyes, we see one of the many anti-Christ, wolves in sheep clothing.

My Question: What does separation of church and state mean?

His Answer: The church should not strive to be involved in the governing of the political state, and the legislature shouldn't take religious belief into account when making laws. It doesn't have to be an extreme dichotomy, but they shouldn't affect each other.

My Question: What does separation of church and state mean to the forefathers?

His Answer: ?? The same thing, I should think. I pretty much answered you that way.

My Comment: This is over the last two questions. It tackles the idea of separation of Church and State. What is it? According to Thomas Jefferson, separation of Church and State is that the State can make a State run church, i.e. the Church of England. There is nothing that says I can voice that the government needs to summit to the absolute authority that is in the Bible. GOD. This country must rule with the moral of God in mind. And that is why Obama must not be elected because he does not hold the values of God about man. He wants to murder children when they cannot even speak. That is not a Christian value and therefore is he really a Christian.